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  1. msman

    msman Porn Star Banned!

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    Seattle's first-in-the-nation $15 per hour minimum wage law is hurting the workers it aimed to help, a new study has found.



    The working poor are making more per hour but taking home less pay. The University of Washington paper asserts the new wages boosted worker pay by 3 percent, but also resulted in a 9-percent reduction in hours and a $125 cut to the monthly paychecks.
     
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    1. Sanity_is_Relative
      Your post is misleading, the reason is not because of the wage it is because employers are cutting hours to maintain profits.
       
      Sanity_is_Relative, Jun 27, 2017
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      That's what they need to do...owtlaw profits. Then there will be no problem. Investors should just learn to deal with losing money, so people can make "careers" out of jobs that used to be held mostly by high-school and college kids working part-time.
       
      M4MPetCock, Jun 27, 2017
    3. msman
      The raise in minimum wage was to help the people who earned minimum wage.
      It failed. Their take home pay is now less than they were making before the pay raise.
      The reason does not matter to them. All they know is they are getting less in their pay check.
      Before the raise it was explained what would happen. It happened.
      Sometimes people with real jobs should make the decisions and the people with no jobs or minimum wage jobs should listen.
       
      msman, Jun 27, 2017
    4. Hush
      Wrong... You're leaving out all of the variables that ACTUALLY affected the take home. It is impossible to get paid more and make less. Their hours may have been cut, yet an employer who needs to have 24 hours of work done a day, may have been running two-12-hour shifts, and due to the increase (which increases the overtime premium) may have changed it to three-8-hour shifts, costing those workers 4h/day/time x 1.5, yet with more free time they can work a second job. So make up your mind, do you want higher wages PLUS more people employed, or do you simply want a few making the money, and their taxes carry those unemployed... Choose.

      Hush....an alias
       
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  2. pussy in boots

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    MAC D's is firing order takers and going automation. Way to go liberals. Put more pople on welfare.
     
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      My husband works for a very large and well known tech company that is actively pushing automation. Once upon a time, having your CCIE from Cisco was a big deal. Instant $200k/year job 15 years ago. Today, they're lucky to get $135-$150k in markets outside of California and New York. Not only has the landscape shifted, the very nature of their jobs have changed. Being a CLI monkey isn't a good thing anymore. You have to know Python or C# and work with Ansible, Puppet or Chef and no longer the command line of your Cisco / Juniper / Arista switch. And even Python automation is coming, plug in some variable, the computer can write the script for you.
       
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      You're assuming there's a 1:1 correlation to salary and COGS which there isn't. There is a correlation but it's already been shown in multiple states (I'll use Colorado as an example) that in order to absorb the wage increase, on average, food service needed to raise the price of menu items on an average of $0.25 to $0.50 to cover the wage increase. That's not an alarming increase. The variable was the size of the restaurant and the number of items on their menu. Number of employees didn't strongly affect he final pricing.
       
      KatieColorado, Jun 27, 2017
    5. msman
      You keep saying two different things. You still fail to understand the price a product is sold for depends on the price to produce that item.
      For a company to stay in business they will be forced to raise their price when there is a rise in the cost of production.
      Of course any company is going to push automation. Humans are the weak link in production.
      People on the ground floor of any company seem to have a hard time understanding that they can be replaced.
      That could be why they are on the ground floor in the first place.
       
      msman, Jun 27, 2017
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      https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/business/mcdonalds-raising-pay-for-employees.html
      McDonald’s to Raise Pay at Outlets It Operates
      APRIL 1, 2015



      All corporations are moving to automation, it's not the cost of the labor that is driving it it is the lack of massive profits. Look at the coal industry they have shed jobs every few years as newer equipment was invented that could do the job of several workers. In 1900 there were 784,621 coal workers in the US, by 1930 that number was down to 644,006 and by 1950 488,206. Owners and stockholders require operators to earn profits and to keep making that ever growing profit they have to cut costs and the only way to do that is cut safety, quality, or workers.
       
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  3. Jdbfromnj

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    Well that worked out well. So now they're bringing home less money than before.
     
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  4. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    When you drive up to the speaker to order you will be talking to someone in the Philippines....
     
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    1. pussy in boots
      No I am not, never use the drive through. They always get your order wrong.
      I also hardly ever eat fast food.
       
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      *not_secure_link*i.imgur.com/BcdyQbt.jpg

      *not_secure_link*i.imgur.com/Ck2fKq4.jpg
       
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  5. ace's n 8's

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    As I have said so many times.....the leftists and their emotonal bullshit ALWAYS BACKFIRES on them.
     
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  6. Distant Lover

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    I have always been aware that Republicans who are not rich enjoy identifying with those who are rich. Since accessing the internet I have learned that they also enjoy feeling superior to people who are poor.
     
    1. Jdbfromnj
      Dah. That's because the rich had better toys than I did.
       
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      It isn't a case of feeling superior. It is a case of have more knowledge about how a business works.
      It should be easy to understand how a person who owns a business would know more about it that a person working for minimum wage in the same business.
      That has always been the problem with democrats. They do not have enough business people.
      Their rich people got that way from being politicians and stealing from the tax payers.
      They don't know shit about business but do know a lot about theft.
       
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  7. ace's n 8's

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    Who keeps those folks poor?...is it white rich old slave owners?
     
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  8. Distant Lover

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    Computer technology continues to reduce the economic value of jobs most people are able to learn.
     
    1. Jdbfromnj
      By that logic Dr. Ben Carson should be working at WalMart.
       
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      I believe it is the responsibility of the individual to make his/her life better. When I graduated from high school, I did not like the type of work I could get with a high school diploma, so I went to school and got a degree that allowed me to get a better job. I did not grow up in an affluent family, so I worked while in school and used student loans to cover the difference.
       
      Jdbfromnj, Jun 27, 2017
    3. msman
      I did the same. Working and student loans put me through what college I had.
      It is very hard to get people who didn't even graduate out of high school to see the worth of getting an education.
       
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    This is the depressing fact of the matter, liberal think tanks such as the Brooking Institution knew the 15 dollar an hour wage would result in loss of income for low wage workers. All the liberal policy makers knew it, it always happens. I'll let you guess why they continue with these charades.
     
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  10. ace's n 8's

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    Computers dont pick fruits and vegetables, computers dont stock shelves, computers dont think for themselves, computers do not create, computers only do what they are programmed to do.

    Computers do not create wealth, the individual does that on their own.
     
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  11. RandyKnight

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    sorry ace I could argue with a lot of that.....

    Tell Bill Gates computers do not create wealth along with about 100,000+ millionaires whose wealth is linked to computers.

    Tell Amazon computers dont stock selves...

    Tell IBM's watson computers do not create....
     
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  12. Rixer

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    Actually, it's the union's that has ruined the economy with their lofty salaries and benefits that drive business overseas. It isn't the poor sap taking your burger order. If the cost of living wasn't raised so high because of these union hacks, the burger order taker wouldn't need so much money. You want the cost of living rates and taxes affordable? Bust the unions.:thumbsup:

    And besides, automation has been going on since the beginning of time. Technology has just advanced the process.;)
     
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      Jesus. Bad dog you drank the Kool-Aid.
       
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  13. RandyKnight

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    Unions are a part of the problem but only a part.....
     
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    Jobs picking fruits and vegetables and stocking shelves never paid well.

    Computers make automation possible. Automation reduces factory jobs. Computers also make it possible to move semi professional jobs to low wage countries.

    Computers make barcodes and automatic checkout lines possible. These reduce jobs for retail sales clerks. Computers make ATM machines possible. These reduce jobs for bank tellers.
     
    1. shootersa
      And someone has to service all those machines. You know, keep them running. And with Plug n play, one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to service the machines. But, the new jobs pay better than the jobs the machines replaced.
      Progress!
       
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  15. Hush

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    Good call, that is it exactly. MORE SO, contrary to the repugnant'can nonsense above, I would bet that loss in "overtime" pay is due to more jobs being generated to fill the slots. Granted, it is still a loss to those individuals, yet it is simply smart by the companies, and at the end of the day the hours and work must be done. So in reality, everyone wins. Those whining they lost money simply need to get off their butts and get a second job to make up the hours.

    Spin that reptards.

    Hush....an alias
     
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  16. Distant Lover

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    The Washington Post February 24, 2015

    Union membership has plummeted in the U.S., from nearly one-third of workers 50 years ago to one in 10 American workers today...

    Neoclassical economics considers a union a monopoly on the supply of labor, and thus a kind of market inefficiency. Yet other economic studies suggest that the decline of unions has lead to changing realities for workers that are not so pretty – including stagnating wages for men, and even a decline in marriage.

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    When one third of the workforce belonged to labor unions. American companies were not moving production overseas.

    Currently Americans companies are not moving production to low wage countries because of labor unions, but because computer technology and lax government regulations make it possible.

    President Trump has claimed that he will reverse the process. I doubt he will. I doubt he really cares.
     
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      ..............other economic studies suggest that the decline of unions has lead to changing realities for workers that are not so pretty – including stagnating wages for men, and even a decline in marriage.​

      Wait. Union membership increases marriage rates?
      So. One can work a non union job, and have one idiot for a boss. Or, one can work a union job and have 3 idiots for bosses?
      *Shooter runs off cackling
       
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  17. M4MPetCock

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    Remind us again what you do for a living?
     
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  18. BigSuzyB

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    There was a increase in the minimum wage that seemed to threaten my bottom line. I bumped up my starting wage, a couple of dollars more an hour than minimum wage and was able to hire more mature and experienced workers than minimum wage would offer me.
    I ended up with a better team and smaller workforce. No more training Kids to complete simple tasks, although I do have some keepers. My bottom line doesn't seem to be affected at all. It lowered my own stress level and workload. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
     
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    1. shootersa
      So, even though you increased wages, you were able to do the same work with fewer bodies, and Shooter is guessing, lower turnover?
       
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      I don't care what you pay, if in an industry with a large workforce, there is a percentage of deadwood that can be eliminated and still handle the same workload...
       
      TwoCards, Jun 27, 2017
    3. msman
      Many times it can be hard to eliminate the deadwood.
      Union are mainly for deadwood now.
      Affirmative action protects deadwood.
      Sad to saw but sometimes the only way to get deadwood out of a department is to promote them.
       
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  19. msman

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    The problem we have in the U.S. is everyone is living on credit.
    The reason the U.S. is near the top in living conditions is because everyone is living on credit.
    It is a double edge sword.
    Credit is slowly killing our country but without it we would be in much worse shape.
    Not only is our country bankrupt, most of the citizens are also.
    There is no easy answer. We have to keep on spending money like a drunk sailor.
    We have no other choice. It will cause the end of our country.
     
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      The credit card company is betting people will not pay off their credit card every month.
      So far they are winning by a wide margin. They do not stay in business by giving away money.
       
      msman, Jun 28, 2017
    3. M4MPetCock
      No doubt. I was just showing that it is possible to "beat the system".
       
      M4MPetCock, Jun 28, 2017
    4. TwoCards
      Actually you aren't beating the system You are proving that a fiscally responsible person doesn't have to go into debt. Too many bitch that they can't get ahead, but they don't want to stay focused on their own advancement. If people were more focused on earning instead of thinking they are owed something the world would be a better place.
       
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      It is possible to beat the system but the % who actually do it is very small.
      Usually there will come a month that people fall a little behind or decide they need some new toy and the easiest thing to let go another month is the credit card debt. After one time it is easy to let it go another time.
      That is what the credit card company knows. It is only a matter of time.
       
      msman, Jun 28, 2017
    6. TwoCards
      Discipline...those that don't possess it are ripe for the picking...and you are right that there are a lot of fruit among us.
       
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  20. RandyKnight

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    I think 12 bucks is a fair min wadge......15 was too high.....

    Outsourcing and non-citizens here have held back wadge increases....
     
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